打里摺 經營者施尚廷

https://podcasts.apple.com/tw/podcast/s4-e9-taritsi-archi-%E6%89%93%E9%87%8C%E6%91%BA-%E7%B6%93%E7%87%9F%E8%80%85-%E6%96%BD%E5%B0%9A%E5%BB%B7/id1543640707?i=1000542579428

有意思，值得去看看